help w/ serial #

fat-tony · February 28th, 2006, 1:04 PM

Can anyone give me some insight for a Yo Eddy that the seller says was fab'd in Mass. but the serial number is 039Z07? Doesn't sound like a Mass frame to me. Anyone?

Doug Carter · February 28th, 2006, 2:21 PM

039Z07

That's an odd-ball. I've seen more than a few that didn't make any sense, or fall in line with any of their "production" numbers.

Here's the thing. I think the first Yo Eddy was 1991, if I am not mistaken. There may have been early ones made in 1990, but I don't have any on record in my spreadsheet. That numbering looks closer to the Wicked Lites where the first 3 digits were production numbers, the middle letter was the frame style designation (I have no idea what Z would be), the next number is the last number in the year (this would be a 1990), and the last number is the frame size (7 being short for a 17" frame). Yo Eddy's used S, M, L frame size designations unless they were 19s.

The Z confuses me. If it were a C or a W or Y or something else I have seen before, I might be able to help a bit more. I would say it is definitely a Sommerville, Mass. bike though. Numbering conventions changed when they moved to Serotta.

Are the decals and colors factory correct?

mwr · February 28th, 2006, 3:06 PM

Doug, check my recent post and serial number in the frame registry thread. My Yo is a 1990.

--Matt

scarrylarry · February 28th, 2006, 7:40 PM

shec with jeff here
http://www.firstflightbikes.com/fat.htm

Doug Carter · February 28th, 2006, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwr

Doug, check my recent post and serial number in the frame registry thread. My Yo is a 1990.

--Matt

My mistake. Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote that. The Yo Eddy hit in 1989, I was thinking "Monster" in my head for some reason and typed something else.

Still don't have any idea what the "Z" might be.

That reminds me, I need to update the registry this weekend.

Bssc · March 2nd, 2006, 1:41 PM

It could very well be a team specific/ employee frame a lot of early ones were made "off the line" not conforming to the standard of sizing or serial numbers. I know for a fact there are about a dozen or so Wicked's with WFFC in the serial numbers. The were for friends and employees only most were ridden into the ground or got a BBectomy I doubt may exist any more. Also a lot of prototypes got messed up serial numbers too , and other were just a goof .

lucifer · March 2nd, 2006, 4:30 PM

It seems like I read somewhere that custom fats often included the owners initials in the number... Anything weird about the geometry?

fat-tony · March 3rd, 2006, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucifer

It seems like I read somewhere that custom fats often included the owners initials in the number... Anything weird about the geometry?

I have no way of knowing, the seller does know much about it.

It is this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fat-Chance-Yo-Ed...QQcmdZViewItem

Doug Carter · March 3rd, 2006, 12:53 PM

Local bike. I tried to buy it before the end of the auction, but it's an eBay selling service and they don't know anything about the bike at all. I wanted to pick it up in person to save on that ridiculous $125 flat shipping rate fee (I just had a bike shipped from the other side of the country for $40 FedEx).

It needs work, and the component package to me isn't worth anything (to some, Campy might be gold), and they have few photos that really show you anything. The D+D decals tell me that it has probably already been repainted once. The Yo fork though plus the frame is worth the price of admission right now for me. If it goes much higher (and it will), I think it has been beaten too hard to be worth it. The mention of "surface rust" near the back wheel always bothers me with a Fat, too.

I wonder if I bought it if they'd still try to charge me $125 for shipping & handling?

fat-tony · March 3rd, 2006, 2:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Carter

Local bike. I tried to buy it before the end of the auction, but it's an eBay selling service and they don't know anything about the bike at all. I wanted to pick it up in person to save on that ridiculous $125 flat shipping rate fee (I just had a bike shipped from the other side of the country for $40 FedEx).

It needs work, and the component package to me isn't worth anything (to some, Campy might be gold), and they have few photos that really show you anything. The D+D decals tell me that it has probably already been repainted once. The Yo fork though plus the frame is worth the price of admission right now for me. If it goes much higher (and it will), I think it has been beaten too hard to be worth it. The mention of "surface rust" near the back wheel always bothers me with a Fat, too.

I wonder if I bought it if they'd still try to charge me $125 for shipping & handling?

The bid is getting too high for me right now. Doug, I thought this one would be too small for you?

Doug Carter · March 3rd, 2006, 3:20 PM

I ride a 17-18" frame, depending on the measuring style. I have opened my search to not only M/L Yos, but to M sized frames, too.

schneidw · March 3rd, 2006, 6:21 PM

That was a nice bike.. ended selling for $645 I believe... Probably worth it although I agree teh Campy components beign a turn off..

I am gonna post my M/L 18-in frame alone next week; I just picked up a Merlin 20-in to replace my Fat Chance; I hope to get between $300 and $400 but one never knows..The team violet is a turnoff to some as does the scratches/handlebar ding.. I wll soon find out.. I will also be posting the 1" Judy SL as well.. just in case Fat Cogs change their mind..

MikeyNYC · March 3rd, 2006, 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Carter

The D+D decals tell me that it has probably already been repainted once.

Doug,

I once had a NOS Wicked frame with this same Grello/Blue Fade paint with the "D & D East" decal clearcoated over and that wasn't a repaint, as far as I know...there's a photo of that frame on this site on another thread.

Michael-NYC

schneidw · March 3rd, 2006, 7:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyNYC

Doug,

I once had a NOS Wicked frame with this same Grello/Blue Fade paint with the "D & D East" decal clearcoated over and that wasn't a repaint, as far as I know...there's a photo of that frame on this site on another thread.

Michael-NYC

Yeah, I concur. I know someone who had the same exact bike, including gruppo. I believe its all original.

Doug Carter · March 3rd, 2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schneidw

That was a nice bike.. ended selling for $645 I believe...

+ $125 to ship.

$770 seemed like a lot to me, but I get cheaper as I get older. I think I had $3500 or more into my original when I built it in my mid-20s. Now, when they aproach 4-digits, I shudder. I think my original Spinergys cost more than that bike went for.

So did D+D do any factory finishes new? I hadn't heard of anyone outside of Fat painting their bikes before. I'd love to know more, if so...

Bssc · March 4th, 2006, 1:41 PM

During one period of time D&D did the paint for the Fats IIRC it was all the fancy stuff(single colors were in house with Imron) as they did not have an accomplished painter at the time in house. IIRC the paint was not Imron either it was something else that dd no hold up nearly as well. Pulling dates out of my head will be tuff as it happened several times during the years in Somerville. The last three or four years they had one of the best painters in the business in the shop doing all the paint work. (ever see the moo cow specials) Most of the show bikes were done by Len Fendi (sp)

fat-tony · March 4th, 2006, 11:30 PM

I will also be posting the 1" Judy SL as well.. just in case Fat Cogs change their mind..[/QUOTE]

You have a PM.

fat-tony · March 4th, 2006, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schneidw

That was a nice bike.. ended selling for $645 I believe... Probably worth it although I agree teh Campy components beign a turn off..

I am gonna post my M/L 18-in frame alone next week; I just picked up a Merlin 20-in to replace my Fat Chance; I hope to get between $300 and $400 but one never knows..The team violet is a turnoff to some as does the scratches/handlebar ding.. I wll soon find out.. I will also be posting the 1" Judy SL as well.. just in case Fat Cogs change their mind..

I'm interested in your fork. You have a PM

N10S · April 16th, 2006, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fat-tony

Can anyone give me some insight for a Yo Eddy that the seller says was fab'd in Mass. but the serial number is 039Z07? Doesn't sound like a Mass frame to me. Anyone?

I have a Yo Eddy that has the serial number 185 Z07. Has a don't tread on me decal as well as a D&D decal on the left chainstay. I was trying to get additional info on the bike because the serial number doesn't really match the "Y" type numbers. Looks like it may be an early frame built in 1990 it appears... .

Jeff

Doug Carter · April 17th, 2006, 9:30 AM

We have seen a few Z numbered Yos recently, and they all appear to be very early 1990 bikes, and for some reason, are all 17" frames, too. Your frame is the 4th I have seen in the last month or so, with that numbering system on it.

N10S · April 17th, 2006, 11:55 AM

Thanks for the feedback Doug! I also got some info back from Jeff over at First Flight saying that he has also seen two "Z" serial numbers recently as well saying the "185" is the serial number sequence, the "Z" is for the model Yo Eddy, the "0" is for 1990, and the "7" for 17" frame size.

At least now I can start to match components to the vintage frame correctly. This bike has a bizzarre mix of Sachs Quartz Neos, along with Suntour XC cants, Ritchey Rock / OCR rims, and cooks RSR cranks. Other than the XC cants and the RSR cranks, the rest of the components look to be 96-97 timeline. Luckily I still have a couple of sets of 727's which fit the vintage as well.

Thanks again!

Jeff

vdubbusrider · April 19th, 2006, 12:41 PM

one of my Yo's has a "Z" number as well. and it's also a 17". wonder why they are all 17's? the number is 138 Z07.

February 28th, 2006, 1:04 PM	#1
fat-tony Global Moderator Join Date: October 13th, 2004 Location: birmingham, al - usa Posts: 711	help w/ serial # Can anyone give me some insight for a Yo Eddy that the seller says was fab'd in Mass. but the serial number is 039Z07? Doesn't sound like a Mass frame to me. Anyone?

February 28th, 2006, 2:21 PM	#2
Doug Carter Global Moderator Join Date: July 7th, 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 683	039Z07 That's an odd-ball. I've seen more than a few that didn't make any sense, or fall in line with any of their "production" numbers. Here's the thing. I think the first Yo Eddy was 1991, if I am not mistaken. There may have been early ones made in 1990, but I don't have any on record in my spreadsheet. That numbering looks closer to the Wicked Lites where the first 3 digits were production numbers, the middle letter was the frame style designation (I have no idea what Z would be), the next number is the last number in the year (this would be a 1990), and the last number is the frame size (7 being short for a 17" frame). Yo Eddy's used S, M, L frame size designations unless they were 19s. The Z confuses me. If it were a C or a W or Y or something else I have seen before, I might be able to help a bit more. I would say it is definitely a Sommerville, Mass. bike though. Numbering conventions changed when they moved to Serotta. Are the decals and colors factory correct? __________________ . 2003 Serotta* Fierte Cyclocross* 2000 Gunnar* Rockhound* 2006 Turner* Flux*

February 28th, 2006, 7:40 PM	#4
scarrylarry Member Join Date: October 19th, 2005 Location: tahoe Posts: 26	shec with jeff here http://www.firstflightbikes.com/fat.htm __________________ Ride for the soul 037T4ML 191 YO ML

March 3rd, 2006, 12:53 PM	#9
Doug Carter Global Moderator Join Date: July 7th, 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 683	Local bike. I tried to buy it before the end of the auction, but it's an eBay selling service and they don't know anything about the bike at all. I wanted to pick it up in person to save on that ridiculous $125 flat shipping rate fee (I just had a bike shipped from the other side of the country for $40 FedEx). It needs work, and the component package to me isn't worth anything (to some, Campy might be gold), and they have few photos that really show you anything. The D+D decals tell me that it has probably already been repainted once. The Yo fork though plus the frame is worth the price of admission right now for me. If it goes much higher (and it will), I think it has been beaten too hard to be worth it. The mention of "surface rust" near the back wheel always bothers me with a Fat, too. I wonder if I bought it if they'd still try to charge me $125 for shipping & handling? __________________ . 2003 Serotta* Fierte Cyclocross* 2000 Gunnar* Rockhound* 2006 Turner* Flux*

March 3rd, 2006, 3:20 PM	#11
Doug Carter Global Moderator Join Date: July 7th, 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 683	I ride a 17-18" frame, depending on the measuring style. I have opened my search to not only M/L Yos, but to M sized frames, too. __________________ . 2003 Serotta* Fierte Cyclocross* 2000 Gunnar* Rockhound* 2006 Turner* Flux*

February 28th, 2006, 3:06 PM	#3
mwr New Member Join Date: June 24th, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 8	Doug, check my recent post and serial number in the frame registry thread. My Yo is a 1990. --Matt

March 2nd, 2006, 1:41 PM	#6
Bssc Member Join Date: December 15th, 2005 Location: sin city Posts: 97	It could very well be a team specific/ employee frame a lot of early ones were made "off the line" not conforming to the standard of sizing or serial numbers. I know for a fact there are about a dozen or so Wicked's with WFFC in the serial numbers. The were for friends and employees only most were ridden into the ground or got a BBectomy I doubt may exist any more. Also a lot of prototypes got messed up serial numbers too , and other were just a goof .

March 2nd, 2006, 4:30 PM	#7
lucifer Senior Member Join Date: October 23rd, 2004 Location: Athens, Ga USA Posts: 415	It seems like I read somewhere that custom fats often included the owners initials in the number... Anything weird about the geometry?

March 3rd, 2006, 6:21 PM	#12
schneidw Member Join Date: February 2nd, 2006 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 41	price That was a nice bike.. ended selling for $645 I believe... Probably worth it although I agree teh Campy components beign a turn off.. I am gonna post my M/L 18-in frame alone next week; I just picked up a Merlin 20-in to replace my Fat Chance; I hope to get between $300 and $400 but one never knows..The team violet is a turnoff to some as does the scratches/handlebar ding.. I wll soon find out.. I will also be posting the 1" Judy SL as well.. just in case Fat Cogs change their mind..

March 4th, 2006, 1:41 PM	#16
Bssc Member Join Date: December 15th, 2005 Location: sin city Posts: 97	During one period of time D&D did the paint for the Fats IIRC it was all the fancy stuff(single colors were in house with Imron) as they did not have an accomplished painter at the time in house. IIRC the paint was not Imron either it was something else that dd no hold up nearly as well. Pulling dates out of my head will be tuff as it happened several times during the years in Somerville. The last three or four years they had one of the best painters in the business in the shop doing all the paint work. (ever see the moo cow specials) Most of the show bikes were done by Len Fendi (sp)

March 4th, 2006, 11:30 PM	#17
fat-tony Global Moderator Join Date: October 13th, 2004 Location: birmingham, al - usa Posts: 711	fork I will also be posting the 1" Judy SL as well.. just in case Fat Cogs change their mind..[/QUOTE] You have a PM.

April 17th, 2006, 9:30 AM	#20
Doug Carter Global Moderator Join Date: July 7th, 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 683	We have seen a few Z numbered Yos recently, and they all appear to be very early 1990 bikes, and for some reason, are all 17" frames, too. Your frame is the 4th I have seen in the last month or so, with that numbering system on it. __________________ . 2003 Serotta* Fierte Cyclocross* 2000 Gunnar* Rockhound* 2006 Turner* Flux*

April 17th, 2006, 11:55 AM	#21
N10S Member Join Date: April 16th, 2006 Location: St. Louis Missouri area Posts: 30	Thanks for the feedback Doug! I also got some info back from Jeff over at First Flight saying that he has also seen two "Z" serial numbers recently as well saying the "185" is the serial number sequence, the "Z" is for the model Yo Eddy, the "0" is for 1990, and the "7" for 17" frame size. At least now I can start to match components to the vintage frame correctly. This bike has a bizzarre mix of Sachs Quartz Neos, along with Suntour XC cants, Ritchey Rock / OCR rims, and cooks RSR cranks. Other than the XC cants and the RSR cranks, the rest of the components look to be 96-97 timeline. Luckily I still have a couple of sets of 727's which fit the vintage as well. Thanks again! Jeff

April 19th, 2006, 12:41 PM	#22
vdubbusrider New Member Join Date: August 2nd, 2004 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 5	one of my Yo's has a "Z" number as well. and it's also a 17". wonder why they are all 17's? the number is 138 Z07. __________________ THANKS, SKY LOOKING FOR A COOK MTN BIKE STEM

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