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Old January 11th, 2006, 2:46 PM   #1
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I found this cafepress.com web site around Christmas and purchased a bunch of great gifts of off the site. I was cruising around their today and stumbled apon these, http://www.cafepress.com/ctrl_x, I am pretty sure they are not real, but they may be worth a shot.

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Old January 18th, 2006, 3:46 PM   #2
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I bought one of the ash grey T shirts it has Fat City Cycles on the back. The printing is black & grey. The print quality is good on a good quality Haines Tee shirt. Shipping is super fast.
I would buy a long sleeve version if it was offered.

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Old January 19th, 2006, 10:58 AM   #3
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Of what is currently offered I feel the Hoody comes closest to what FAT stands for



Nevertheless logos are really tidy centered in the middle (to tidy?) and I feel it should do better in Team Violet, Grello, Aquafade or -even better- a combination of those three



Hmmmm..... remember having seen it before
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Old January 19th, 2006, 12:32 PM   #4
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That's it Tease the newbie...LoL

I have to agree a little color wouldn't hurt

Where can I get a Hoodie?


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Old January 19th, 2006, 12:58 PM   #5
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Didn't mean to tease anyone

To bad a Fat City string isn't offered....
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Old January 19th, 2006, 1:03 PM   #6
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Where can I get a Hoodie?


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Seller added them. Check the link.


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Old January 23rd, 2006, 11:53 PM   #7
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Isn't CTRL-X the same guy who was selling the repro Fat decals on eBay for like $45 a pop? It costs me like 35
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Old January 24th, 2006, 3:56 AM   #8
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[QUOTE=Doug Carter]Isn't CTRL-X the same guy who was selling the repro Fat decals on eBay for like $45 a pop? It costs me like 35
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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:14 PM   #9
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Clothes are all removed from the site..... Too bad, I would have liked a hoodie....
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Old January 24th, 2006, 12:21 PM   #10
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Probably they are temporarily not available due to excessive demand
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Old January 25th, 2006, 6:24 AM   #11
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How is it Wendyl can sell decals yet does not own the logo ?
Who does own it?

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Old January 25th, 2006, 9:08 AM   #12
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Maybe Ben Serotta does?
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Old January 25th, 2006, 10:40 AM   #13
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No one "owns" the legal rights to the logos or names. Check it out for yourself in the US Registry of Patents and Trademarks. All of the trademarks for Fat have expired. They are essentially public domain. Some of them, like BuckShaver or Wicked Lite, never really existed in the first place.

You can sell anything you want with the logos on them, really. Wendyl has remaining stock of old factory decal sheets and sells them to those who need them. It's not a business, she doesn't need to own the naming rights. Obviously, she would like to protect the integrety of the original brand, but considering the company has been defunct for over 5 years, it's tough to fight the branding fight for a company that will never exist again and makes no profits. Then again, I don't think anyone selling decals or shirts is out to retire on their income from the sales, and I also dont think anyone is out to ruin the name of our beloved Fat City Cycles.

I'm surprised the clothing on Cafe Press was taken down. They have just as much legitimate right to sell that stuff as Wendyl, Chris or anyone else at this point. Sometimes, an intimdating and threatening e-mail can make people do things before they know all of the facts. There is someone who sells the Yo logo every once in a while in black on eBay (they are repros, just like mine), and they sell for a ridiculous amount. They are perfectly legitimate to sell, even though the seller never mentions the fact that they aren't originals.

Frankly, it's a sad thing that the trade names have expired. It honestly means that there is no interest from Chris to ever restore the company.


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Old January 25th, 2006, 11:05 AM   #14
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Awesome. Already $$$$$ in the eye

Think this one will do great as 'Fat Chance Yo Eddy' :





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Old January 25th, 2006, 12:12 PM   #15
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LOL.

I think that little legal issue would be called fraud and misrepresentation. Don't bend over for the soap, Melvin.
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Old January 25th, 2006, 12:46 PM   #16
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You are right. It has to be 'all new 2006 Fat Chance Yo Eddy'

Hope the buyers will not list their bikes overhere and ask us questions on how to lower seat and such....
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Old January 25th, 2006, 5:38 PM   #17
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Doug,

I guess what you mean is that the Fat logo/trademark was abandoned. From what I read as long as you maintain the trademark it's yours. It's a shame Chris or Wendyl didn't maintain the business name. It's not a huge yearly fee. With the prices being gotten on e-bay for original swag they could run a little cottage industry. A couple of forks and hoodies a week.

I didn't mean to have my question sound derogatory towards Wendyl. It's very nice of her to attend to all of us. When I read she no longer owned the logo I thought it had been purchased by someone else.

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Old January 25th, 2006, 8:56 PM   #18
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Yes, it really is too bad that something couldn't have been done to maintain the mystique, but then again, maybe that adds to it in some way.



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Old January 26th, 2006, 3:52 AM   #19
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Maybe the board should buy it to prevent bicycles like the above appearing.... and we can also have our vote in details and FAT-likeness in everyting that is issued
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Old February 8th, 2006, 2:37 PM   #20
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Check this link:

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Old February 8th, 2006, 3:28 PM   #21
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Okay! Some work has been done and they are becoming nice now, if one asks me.

This T looks good:


The somewhat larger Eddy is a good idea. On the earlier it looked a bit 'lost'. Of course colour is a good thing for a FAT item. The T looks 'basic' and I even feel it could do pretty well without the logo at the back.

Also like the Aquafade logo. Hope one day the coloured logos will be available for the sweaters, as I always wear my T's under clothing.


...and it would be really Cool if the selling party included this sticker with every item sold
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Old February 22nd, 2006, 7:59 AM   #22
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Took delivery of my Sweater with Fatlanta Yo right on the chest and Fatlanta 'FAT city cycles' huge on the back today. It is very nice.

Think the above T will be a good excuse to start wearing T's for me.....
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Old February 22nd, 2006, 4:38 PM   #23
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Very interesting.

What's your garment like melvin? Good quality?

Not sure where I stand on this from a moral / ethical point of view
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Old February 22nd, 2006, 6:19 PM   #24
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Hi Rutteger,

Yes, the quality is okay. Nice garment, nice prints. Only ordered mine to large. I didn't follow the table on the site, but ordered somewhat larger as I thought one can better have something to large than something to small. I should have sticked to the table. Will order a smaller shortly.

On the ethical issue: I feel I am okay with it as long as 1) the stuff is worth the FAT logo and 2) Chris doesn't bother. So far it seems Chris doesn't. Wendyl maybe does, but at the moment I don't know whether I bother Wendyl bothers. All those decall issues that pop up all the time.... With the right stuff offered I tend to approving it, but with some reserve.
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Old March 17th, 2006, 12:03 PM   #25
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Default I thought about it....

I had contacted Wendyl about buying the rights to the "Fat City" name and any and all trade marks. She said she had no interest in selling what so ever. Maybe there was nothing to sell?
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She doesn't OWN the rights to sell... no one does. Check the US Trademark registry.
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She doesn't OWN the rights to sell... no one does. Check the US Trademark registry.

Although, I'd feel kinda funny just taking the name and building bikes under that lable. What if any "ethical" implications are there?

What would this group think/feel/say about anyone who did build under a technically defunct and ownerless brand name with as much cashe as Fat City?
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I don't think it would carry any "cache" unless the original individuals that were responsible for the design and construction were a big part of it. With Cris out of the bike industry completely, I don't think (personal opinion) that you would see nearly the interest that Jeff has seen with the Mountain Goat project, having Jeff Lindsay behind it. I don't even think those new bikes should carry the old Goat name, but that's just me. I'm kinda grouchy in a nostalgic kinda way.

Personally, part of the mystique of Fat City is that they are gone forever, and only a finite number have been made. It's a small group of individuals who are lucky enough to own one, and that it should stay like that. Doing anything else under the same name would only dilute the original aura (don't mistake that for value or excitement for the original brand).


My beliefs are that should the oceans part and Chris decide to return to the bike industry, it will be under a new name and brand. I think there are too many reasons to NOT keep the name alive in current product, but only in the hearts of the people who still have the old bikes.



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I don't think it would carry any "cache" unless the original individuals that were responsible for the design and construction were a big part of it. With Cris out of the bike industry completely, I don't think (personal opinion) that you would see nearly the interest that Jeff has seen with the Mountain Goat project, having Jeff Lindsay behind it. I don't even think those new bikes should carry the old Goat name, but that's just me. I'm kinda grouchy in a nostalgic kinda way.

Personally, part of the mystique of Fat City is that they are gone forever, and only a finite number have been made. It's a small group of individuals who are lucky enough to own one, and that it should stay like that. Doing anything else under the same name would only dilute the original aura (don't mistake that for value or excitement for the original brand).


My beliefs are that should the oceans part and Chris decide to return to the bike industry, it will be under a new name and brand. I think there are too many reasons to NOT keep the name alive in current product, but only in the hearts of the people who still have the old bikes.



Just my view...
All very good points Doug, all of which I had thought about too. That is the reason for the "funny" feeling I had.

I strongly agree that that company was more about "who" than "what". And that could never be re-captured just by using the name.
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The last time I saw Chris just a couple of years ago he did not want to talk Fat shop at all. It seems there is some serious bitterness there for what ever reason. I know both Chris and Wendell both agreed that Ted would be the official go to person for repairs and such. Unfortunately Ted has given up his frame business due to health reasons he was trying to sell it but i have not heard of any new owners.

I'll give Ted a shout this week to see what he has to say.
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