1996 ML FAT CHANCE Titanium

kingroon · June 11th, 2013, 7:18 AM

So I picked this up from Germany a week or so ago, and was truly gutted when I discovered an undisclosed Ding on the Top Tube.. To say I'm embarrassed about it would be closer to the truth.. The Seller assured me there were no dings or dents and has become incommunicado.. Paying by Bank Deposit hasn't helped my cause of getting a refund/discount either..

So..

Moving forward..

I don't think that the Ding is life threatening, it looks like a handlbar swipe and doesn't appear to pierce the tubing [no crack/split].. Would it be worth doing anything to it? Or is this merely an imperfection I'll have to live with?

tvcreative · June 11th, 2013, 9:04 AM

stickers are our friends...

once on, you'll be fine

make it a cool one

perhaps a band aid?

I have an Ibis Ti Mojo - and the same thing happened. I put a kick ass WTB logo on it. I never think about it now

kingroon · June 11th, 2013, 9:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvcreative

..the same thing happened. I put a kick ass WTB logo on it. I never think about it now

Outta sight, outta mind?

TC · June 11th, 2013, 9:45 AM

Gutted for you Matt, I can't stand it when you hunt forever & pay a lot of money for your unicorn only to find the seller is withholding info that could have made him less money.

If I was the seller & if he has a conscience & Actively participates in the retro world ( which is a very close & honest community) I would at leAst offer a partial refund its only FAIR!!! So come forward who ever you are & see Matt right & let's keep this hobby friendly.

Anyway it looks good whatever mate!

chainline · June 11th, 2013, 9:53 AM

Ooooor you could Just draw on it with a sharpie !!!!!

tvcreative · June 11th, 2013, 12:03 PM

the guy who sold it to you definitely owes you one...

but it's not hideous, nor is it dangerous...just a heartbreak that needs a boo boo sticker to cover

how about a ringle, salsa, wtb or shimano?

I have a cool DT swiss decal on another bike

afterbang · June 11th, 2013, 5:35 PM

is it possible that it happened during shipping? I had to take up a claim once and ended up with all my money back and a free Wicked.

kingroon · June 12th, 2013, 4:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by afterbang

is it possible that it happened during shipping? I had to take up a claim once and ended up with all my money back and a free Wicked.

I have considered that, and am trying to chat to the Vendor about it, but he is now not checking his messages

MikeyNYC · June 12th, 2013, 4:22 AM

What is the serial # of the frame?

kingroon · June 12th, 2013, 4:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeynyc

what is the serial # of the frame?

tf ml 008

chainline · June 12th, 2013, 8:40 AM

Too bad it's not 007..

kingroon · June 12th, 2013, 8:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chainline

Too bad it's not 007..

Yeah I think 008 mighta been the Secret Agent that dies in The Living Daylights..

ameybrook · June 12th, 2013, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingroon

Yeah I think 008 mighta been the Secret Agent that dies in The Living Daylights..

004.

kingroon · June 12th, 2013, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ameybrook

004.

Bond Geek

MikeyNYC · June 12th, 2013, 7:28 PM

I had this frame briefly in the beginning of the year, I quickly traded it to a guy in Germany who sent me a L Ti Fat in trade...This was probably who you bought it from.

For what it is worth, here is what I wrote to the person in one of my first exchanges in January in an e-mail thread titled: "Ti Fat Chance TF ML 008‏"

"It is very nice, there are a few small scratches, most can be buffed out and just one noticeable ding on the top tube where maybe a handlebar must've swung around and hit, but the frame is very clean and has no structural issues or cracks."

That's why I asked you about the serial #, I suspected it was my old frame which by the way that ding is cosmetic, just ride the bike and enjoy it...Not going to comment on the seller, my experience with him was OK.

kingroon · June 13th, 2013, 3:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyNYC

..that ding is cosmetic, just ride the bike and enjoy it..

Thank you so much for your comment, that has really helped moved on from this

I have had previous history with the seller and he was okay then so I don't know why he is being so difficult/dismissive now! Anyways, I intend to build this up and ride it good 'n' proper.. Will post photos of its progress

troda · June 14th, 2013, 8:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chainline

Ooooor you could Just draw on it with a sharpie !!!!!

You sir are a Barbarian!!

kingroon · June 14th, 2013, 8:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvcreative

..just a heartbreak that needs a boo boo sticker to cover..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/230997793708

chainline · June 14th, 2013, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troda

You sir are a Barbarian!!

Why Yes i am. And I ride like a Viking !!!

chefmiguel · June 14th, 2013, 4:25 PM

Do we all get a turn buying this frame?

MikeyNYC · June 15th, 2013, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefmiguel

Do we all get a turn buying this frame?

You can buy it from me once I get my hands on it again...

kingroon · June 15th, 2013, 9:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyNYC

You can buy it from me once I get my hands on it again...

I have Mr Igleheart making me a sgemented fork for it, so selling it ain't gunna happen for a good while yet

if ever

A lot of Bikes pass through my Stable, but this will sit perfectly next to my "Daily Driver" IF Deluxe Ti..

Syborg · June 17th, 2013, 3:19 PM

Hi Matt,
I will wait and see and if you want to sell it someday, you know where you can find me.
I think it's a big mess of my compatriot that he has concealed the dent. If I can help you somehow manage to put it in order let me know it. I am willing to help you in this unpleasant affair.

Always a grateful buyer of your bikes Helmut

kingroon · June 19th, 2013, 5:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syborg

..If I can help you somehow manage to put it in order let me know it. I am willing to help you in this unpleasant affair..

Thank you Helmut, you are as always a Gent

It is okay tho, I think there is not much to do but to move on from the Bad Sale experience..

Whilst I was drooling over the frame [again] the other evening, I noticed something poking out from the seattube into the BB shell.. I got a torch and checked out down the seattube.. And after some Jiggery Pokery with a Mangled Clothes Hanger, I [with the help of Mrs Roon] coaxed this from within..

I'm guessing it had been down there since '96

kingroon · July 19th, 2013, 5:39 AM

Parts Bin is filling..

Nuke Proof.. Campagnolo.. Gravity Research.. Syncros..

chainline · July 22nd, 2013, 2:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingroon

Thank you Helmut, you are as always a Gent

It is okay tho, I think there is not much to do but to move on from the Bad Sale experience..

Whilst I was drooling over the frame [again] the other evening, I noticed something poking out from the seattube into the BB shell.. I got a torch and checked out down the seattube.. And after some Jiggery Pokery with a Mangled Clothes Hanger, I [with the help of Mrs Roon] coaxed this from within..

I'm guessing it had been down there since '96

That musta smelled Nice. AUGUST ???

kingroon · August 13th, 2013, 3:53 AM

Drivetrain started..

DocChill · August 13th, 2013, 12:39 PM

...is looking great until now

!!! I like to see more...! Cheers, Daniel

MikeyNYC · August 13th, 2013, 7:12 PM

kingroon · August 14th, 2013, 3:40 AM

Having a Run of Bad Luck with this Build

The Ding; a 29.4mm Syncros Ti Post going missing in the post; Chris Igleheart quoting 2 weeks but taking 2 months to build me a fork and now gone cold on Email..

TC · August 14th, 2013, 4:00 AM

Sorry to hear this Matt but all good things and that!

Zamfir · August 14th, 2013, 10:43 AM

Just stay positive and try to be patient, in the end it will be worth it.

Chris took about 2 months to complete my fork, I also sent a few e-mails without a response which worried me some, but he came through brilliantly. I think he is just a busy guy and doesn't check his e-mails often.

kingroon · August 16th, 2013, 3:41 AM

Progress..

nader · August 16th, 2013, 11:51 AM

looks good ...I really like the RS fork on this bike

kingroon · August 19th, 2013, 4:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nader

looks good ...I really like the RS fork on this bike

Thanks Dude..

kingroon · August 20th, 2013, 7:27 AM

Finishing touch

kingroon · August 23rd, 2013, 5:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zamfir

Just stay positive and try to be patient, in the end it will be worth it.

Chris took about 2 months to complete my fork, I also sent a few e-mails without a response which worried me some, but he came through brilliantly. I think he is just a busy guy and doesn't check his e-mails often.

Got an Email from CI last night; my Fork is on its way

I have just missed the Boat on a set of Nuke Proof Combo Bars over on Retrobike.co.uk.. I cannot believe it.. Going to negotiate with the Buyer, see if my Need is greater than his..

kingroon · August 29th, 2013, 5:31 AM

Negotiated successfully and have the Nuke Proofs on their way to me

The Build is getting closer to the Target..

Jeeves · August 30th, 2013, 2:06 PM

Hey awesome! I had those very same Nuke Proofs on my Ti Fat for years (until I endo'd and tweaked 'em).

kingroon · October 14th, 2013, 4:47 AM

So, I decided that with some Sunshine around this Weekend, I'd put some paint on the Iglehearts..

I'll send them off in the New Year for a proper baked job [almost certainly in that fade colourway], but for now, Rattle Can so I can ride the FAT Ti sooner.. Wait time is looking at 6 weeks with the guys I usually send stuff to!

Waited [Impatiently!] 24 Hours for the paint to harden and married them with the Fuselage..

Funny thing with the Nuke Proofs.. I'm not sure the QA process was all that hot in 199n; the Stem Clamp area was 24.4mm and the STI Clamp area 21.8mm.. Some Coke Can Shims will be required.. Got too late, so I wrapped some Masking Tape as an interim measure..

Anyone got a 1" Threadless Salsa Stem with a Cable Roller spare??

June 11th, 2013, 5:35 PM	#7
afterbang Senior Member Join Date: August 21st, 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 128	is it possible that it happened during shipping? I had to take up a claim once and ended up with all my money back and a free Wicked. __________________ 90 Wicked, 93 Yo Eddy, lots of FTW bikes

July 19th, 2013, 5:39 AM	#25
kingroon Member Join Date: April 24th, 2006 Location: West One Four Posts: 47	Parts Bin is filling.. Nuke Proof.. Campagnolo.. Gravity Research.. Syncros.. __________________ Hasta Luego.. KingRoon

August 13th, 2013, 12:39 PM	#28
DocChill Senior Member Join Date: July 11th, 2012 Location: Ennigerloh-Westkirchen, Germany Posts: 163	Your nice Ti... ...is looking great until now !!! I like to see more...! Cheers, Daniel

August 14th, 2013, 3:40 AM	#30
kingroon Member Join Date: April 24th, 2006 Location: West One Four Posts: 47	Having a Run of Bad Luck with this Build The Ding; a 29.4mm Syncros Ti Post going missing in the post; Chris Igleheart quoting 2 weeks but taking 2 months to build me a fork and now gone cold on Email.. __________________ Hasta Luego.. KingRoon

October 14th, 2013, 4:47 AM	#40
kingroon Member Join Date: April 24th, 2006 Location: West One Four Posts: 47	Build Update So, I decided that with some Sunshine around this Weekend, I'd put some paint on the Iglehearts.. I'll send them off in the New Year for a proper baked job [almost certainly in that fade colourway], but for now, Rattle Can so I can ride the FAT Ti sooner.. Wait time is looking at 6 weeks with the guys I usually send stuff to! Waited [Impatiently!] 24 Hours for the paint to harden and married them with the Fuselage.. Funny thing with the Nuke Proofs.. I'm not sure the QA process was all that hot in 199n; the Stem Clamp area was 24.4mm and the STI Clamp area 21.8mm.. Some Coke Can Shims will be required.. Got too late, so I wrapped some Masking Tape as an interim measure.. Anyone got a 1" Threadless Salsa Stem with a Cable Roller spare?? __________________ Hasta Luego.. KingRoon

June 11th, 2013, 9:04 AM	#2
tvcreative Senior Member Join Date: March 15th, 2010 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 716	stickers are our friends... once on, you'll be fine make it a cool one perhaps a band aid? I have an Ibis Ti Mojo - and the same thing happened. I put a kick ass WTB logo on it. I never think about it now

June 11th, 2013, 9:45 AM	#4
TC Member Join Date: July 8th, 2011 Location: StoneHenge Posts: 68	Gutted for you Matt, I can't stand it when you hunt forever & pay a lot of money for your unicorn only to find the seller is withholding info that could have made him less money. If I was the seller & if he has a conscience & Actively participates in the retro world ( which is a very close & honest community) I would at leAst offer a partial refund its only FAIR!!! So come forward who ever you are & see Matt right & let's keep this hobby friendly. Anyway it looks good whatever mate!

June 11th, 2013, 9:53 AM	#5
chainline Senior Member Join Date: February 12th, 2010 Location: laconia Posts: 303	Ooooor you could Just draw on it with a sharpie !!!!!

June 11th, 2013, 12:03 PM	#6
tvcreative Senior Member Join Date: March 15th, 2010 Location: Naperville IL Posts: 716	the guy who sold it to you definitely owes you one... but it's not hideous, nor is it dangerous...just a heartbreak that needs a boo boo sticker to cover how about a ringle, salsa, wtb or shimano? I have a cool DT swiss decal on another bike

June 12th, 2013, 4:22 AM	#9
MikeyNYC Senior Member Join Date: August 8th, 2004 Location: NYC-NY Posts: 310	What is the serial # of the frame?

June 12th, 2013, 8:40 AM	#11
chainline Senior Member Join Date: February 12th, 2010 Location: laconia Posts: 303	Too bad it's not 007..

June 12th, 2013, 7:28 PM	#15
MikeyNYC Senior Member Join Date: August 8th, 2004 Location: NYC-NY Posts: 310	I had this frame briefly in the beginning of the year, I quickly traded it to a guy in Germany who sent me a L Ti Fat in trade...This was probably who you bought it from. For what it is worth, here is what I wrote to the person in one of my first exchanges in January in an e-mail thread titled: "Ti Fat Chance TF ML 008‏" "It is very nice, there are a few small scratches, most can be buffed out and just one noticeable ding on the top tube where maybe a handlebar must've swung around and hit, but the frame is very clean and has no structural issues or cracks." That's why I asked you about the serial #, I suspected it was my old frame which by the way that ding is cosmetic, just ride the bike and enjoy it...Not going to comment on the seller, my experience with him was OK.

June 14th, 2013, 4:25 PM	#20
chefmiguel Senior Member Join Date: June 12th, 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 307	Do we all get a turn buying this frame?

June 17th, 2013, 3:19 PM	#23
Syborg Senior Member Join Date: August 5th, 2009 Location: Grand Duchy of Baden/Germany Posts: 147	Hi Matt, I will wait and see and if you want to sell it someday, you know where you can find me. I think it's a big mess of my compatriot that he has concealed the dent. If I can help you somehow manage to put it in order let me know it. I am willing to help you in this unpleasant affair. Always a grateful buyer of your bikes Helmut

August 13th, 2013, 7:12 PM	#29
MikeyNYC Senior Member Join Date: August 8th, 2004 Location: NYC-NY Posts: 310

August 14th, 2013, 4:00 AM	#31
TC Member Join Date: July 8th, 2011 Location: StoneHenge Posts: 68	Sorry to hear this Matt but all good things and that!

August 14th, 2013, 10:43 AM	#32
Zamfir Senior Member Join Date: May 31st, 2011 Location: Spokane Posts: 248	Just stay positive and try to be patient, in the end it will be worth it. Chris took about 2 months to complete my fork, I also sent a few e-mails without a response which worried me some, but he came through brilliantly. I think he is just a busy guy and doesn't check his e-mails often.

August 16th, 2013, 11:51 AM	#34
nader Senior Member Join Date: July 17th, 2011 Location: in the harbor Posts: 317	looks good ...I really like the RS fork on this bike

August 30th, 2013, 2:06 PM	#39
Jeeves Senior Member Join Date: August 6th, 2004 Location: VA - USA Posts: 204	Hey awesome! I had those very same Nuke Proofs on my Ti Fat for years (until I endo'd and tweaked 'em).

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