1984 24" wheeled Fat Chance

[mkozaczek]

One more feature Fat: http://www.secondspincycles.com/2013...ngle-w-24.html

[MikeyNYC]

Thanks for posting these old Fat Chance bikes, it would be way cooler and probably more informative if you did some investigative work to find real facts and history about the bikes.
Based on what you wrote, it sounds like a lot of guess work or just your own opinions.
Sites like MOMBAT do a really nice job of seeking out build details and history of bikes, you should check them out, they're a great resource.

http://mombat.org/MOMBAT/BikeHistory...at_Chance.html

[mkozaczek]

Yeah it would be... it would also be great if you took some time to maybe ask where my info came from before you state an opinion, but then what fun would that be...

*Edited for niceness

[MikeyNYC]

Please don't be nice, be real, say what you want and let the mods determine if you're behaving.

Also, who cares where your info came from, it seems like you popped up out of nowhere in the past year or 2 to buy up vintage mountain bikes and repaint them and resell them at a profit, you're not a true fan or collector you're an opportunist and from what it appears, not a very good one.

[fat-tony]

Easy boys.................Frame doesn't look like FAT quality to me.

[yo-Nate-y]

Yeah, no fighting! I mean, are we sure that isn't a GT?

mkozaczek, do update us once you get that drivetrain rehabilitated. Looks like it was ridden hard and put away wet!

[troda]

Part of the story is accurate. The bikes were bought at the same time by a cople in the Boston area. Wife got this one and the husband got a 19" Fat. Not 100% sure the 19 was a triple triangle. I didnt get that impression after talking to the son. But a decent source from back then remembers a black triple triangle bike.
The couple only rode them for a short time then hung them in the garage. The son took ownership of the black one and brought it to school with him in NYC. One of the tenants in the apt building he lived went off the deep end and burned the building. Unfortunately the black bike was in it.
Fast forward many years . The wife of the son decided she wanted to start biking. They took the 24" Fat out of the garage. She rode it a couple af times , hated it , and decided to sell it so she could buy a more comfortable bike. I went and picked it up for the new owner boxed and shipped it. After seeing it up close I think is a Fat. Custom, but still a fat.

Thanks, Tom

[afterbang]

Thanks for sharing, Martin and Tom.

[mkozaczek]

Originally Posted by MikeyNYC

Please don't be nice, be real, say what you want and let the mods determine if you're behaving.

Also, who cares where your info came from, it seems like you popped up out of nowhere in the past year or 2 to buy up vintage mountain bikes and repaint them and resell them at a profit, you're not a true fan or collector you're an opportunist and from what it appears, not a very good one.

One more time, check your facts before you go mouthing off...

[jonsonneborn]

I've got to tell everyone that this thread sickens me!

A good friend of mine has a collection of over 45 Fats!; The very first one which he bought from Martin. He & Martin became good friends & Martin did a write-up of a few of his bikes from his trip up to N Cal the other week. I have seen all of these bikes & the '85 Ti & '84 Triple Triangle 24" Wheel are amazing bikes! To see people commenting that they are GTs or not period correct parts when you know these comments are not true takes this entire website down a notch or two! I for one appreciate Martin taking the time to photograph & share these bikes & find him to be one of the most knowledgable references for vintage MT Bikes.

I talked to the owner of these bikes this morning (who some of you know) & he has no interest in every coming on to Fatcogs ever again or allowing us to feature any of his bikes after these comments.

Jon

[AB]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1993...#ht_3703wt_960



Enough said.

[yo-Nate-y]

Originally Posted by jonsonneborn

I've got to tell everyone that this thread sickens me!

A good friend of mine has a collection of over 45 Fats!; The very first one which he bought from Martin. He & Martin became good friends & Martin did a write-up of a few of his bikes from his trip up to N Cal the other week. I have seen all of these bikes & the '85 Ti & '84 Triple Triangle 24" Wheel are amazing bikes! To see people commenting that they are GTs or not period correct parts when you know these comments are not true takes this entire website down a notch or two! I for one appreciate Martin taking the time to photograph & share these bikes & find him to be one of the most knowledgable references for vintage MT Bikes.

I talked to the owner of these bikes this morning (who some of you know) & he has no interest in every coming on to Fatcogs ever again or allowing us to feature any of his bikes after these comments.

Jon

My bad. I should have put a after the GT comment, but figured people would know I was joking. There are certainly a handful of triple-triangle early Fats circulating.

But your last little bit doesn't make sense to me. Basically you are saying that you got mad, then went and told someone who doesn't much post here anyway that he should be mad, and in fact he decided not to let anyone here ever *view* his bikes again? Yeesh. And kinda silly?

When I was a kid when my little sister had a tantrum she would walk into whatever room everyone was hanging out and cry loudly. Then she'd scream "don't look at me!" Not quite a 1-to-1 comparison, but it came to mind.

As for mkozaczek, I will agree---very nice to see the bikes! (both this, the ti, and #831) The pictures were great, the bikes are great. The write-up has a few hang ups in phrasing and accuracy, but no huge deal. Jon, I think the friction you may be picking up on is more about the link posted above this post than anything else, but being flip and overly defensive ("mouthing off"? um, sorry coach?) in response doesn't dig anyone out of a reputation earned by aggressively buying up bikes that a lot of us are interested collecting and riding, only to "restore" and flip for profit. But that's another can of worms.

The Fats owned by the older disgruntled gentleman are superb bikes. I think any of us would be happy to own them, and I am glad the link to them on mkozaczek's business website was shared here despite the resultant kerfluffle-age.

[yo-Nate-y]

Looking that wall of text above, it occurs to me that an equally appropriate reply would have been simply "blah blah blah." My apologies to people with weary eyes.

Oh well, my fingers did the walkin'....

[Bdot]

Originally Posted by AB

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1993...#ht_3703wt_960



Enough said.

I'm confused with what you're trying to say with this post

[mkozaczek]

Originally Posted by AB

[URL]

Enough said.

You make it sounds like that's immoral or unethical or something. Just because I sell some bikes for profit clearly means that I can't be into collecting or riding them, please...

Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y

As for mkozaczek, - Jon, I think the friction you may be picking up on is more about the link posted above this post than anything else, but being flip and overly defensive ("mouthing off"? um, sorry coach?) in response doesn't dig anyone out of a reputation earned by aggressively buying up bikes that a lot of us are interested collecting and riding, only to "restore" and flip for profit. But that's another can of worms.

Please forward me the paragraph in the VRC collecting rule book where it says that one can't pay for bikes one wants by "restoring" and "flipping" other bikes. I bet that If I "flipped" real estate to fund the same collection you'd welcome me with open arms and call it innovative. But god help you if one bike that you clearly deserve more than me ends up in my hands and worse yet if I make a buck doing it. It's called capitalism, ACCEPT IT!

[yo-Nate-y]

The irony of you ALLCAPing about capitalism on May Day when you are actually mad about not being fully accepted in a community is not lost on me. Well played, well played.

[mkozaczek]

Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y

The irony of you ALLCAPing about capitalism on May Day when you are actually mad about not being fully accepted in a community is not lost on me. Well played, well played.

Now, that's how you really dodge a question! Kudos

[Bdot]

There wasn't a question in there

[jonsonneborn]

Originally Posted by yo-Nate-y

Yeah, no fighting! I mean, are we sure that isn't a GT?

mkozaczek, do update us once you get that drivetrain rehabilitated. Looks like it was ridden hard and put away wet!

Based Upon your untrue statement afterwards about the drivetrain, I do not think that you were kidding; I think that you were trying to put Martin down because as you state later; (& I am paraphrasing) Martin is not someone you welcome on this site. I do not believe that it is your job as a moderator to put members down so long as they don't break the rules of the forum. I believe that a good moderator should remain a neutral party.

I have for years come to this site as a highlight of my day & to share knowledge & experiences on Fats. I still think that most of what goes on here is positive & I hope we can keep it this way but Michael Farkas (whom I met & thought highly of) clearly has it out for Martin & has shown as much in the 2 write-ups of Greg's bikes & frankly I am disapointed. Greg is too. When the one of the folks moderating the site add fuel to the fire by also putting Greg's bike down (clearly to jab at Martin), than I think there is a problem with the way the site is being "moderated"

[yo-Nate-y]

Those were patently untrue statements on my side, yes. Sarcasm doesn't carry over well to text I guess...

In any case I wasn't putting down the bike--the opposite, in fact. The components look like they are in great shape. I thought Martin's commentary on their poor condition was funny given how pristine everything looks. A jab at Martin, sure, but not a jab at the bike.

Aaand I never said *I* didn't welcome him to the site, I tried to give some perspective on why he may be getting the friction he is getting. The site is open to whoever wants to contribute. I am not understanding the brittleness here, but whatever

[troda]

I think a group hug is in order here.

[IF52]

This is a stupid thread.

[tvcreative]

allow me to use one of my favorite quotes from an insanely stupid movie:

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

if the shoe feels like it fits in this case - wear it....

can we move on now?

I just like the pretty pictures on the site so I can copy...or criticize.

[webby]

Originally Posted by MikeyNYC

Please don't be nice, be real, say what you want and let the mods determine if you're behaving.

Also, who cares where your info came from, it seems like you popped up out of nowhere in the past year or 2 to buy up vintage mountain bikes and repaint them and resell them at a profit, you're not a true fan or collector you're an opportunist and from what it appears, not a very good one.

Couldn't agree more

[jonsonneborn]

The only person ever to offer me (the holy grail of all Fat parts) an OEM rigid fork was Martin. This is after I sent him a set of Campy rims that he had been looking for to complete a build & I had a set I didn't need. Once I agreed to take the fork he insisted on throwing in a set of American Classic hubs to even the deal!

Martin is a great guy who absolutely loves vintage MT Bikes. He has certain bikes in his collection that he will not sell & yes he has made a business out of his hobby (this is what keeps it sustainable for him). He does a meticulous job at these restorations (check out the ebay auction above cited by AB & tell me it isn't georgeous!) Did you ever think that Martin's efforts may also be increasing the value & intrigue of your Fat? Martin is not the proximate cause for the shortage of Fat parts nor is he a bad guy.

Sarcasm is always welcome, but bullying is not.

Jon

[ameybrook]

Originally Posted by jonsonneborn

! I for one appreciate Martin taking the time to photograph & share these bikes & find him to be one of the most knowledgable references for vintage MT Bikes.

Originally Posted by jonsonneborn

Michael Farkas (whom I met & thought highly of) clearly has it out for Martin & has shown as much in the 2 write-ups of Greg's bikes & frankly I am disapointed.

Originally Posted by jonsonneborn

Martin is a great guy who absolutely loves vintage MT Bikes.

You guys are sleeping together, right?

[jonsonneborn]

Originally Posted by ameybrook

You guys are sleeping together, right?

This is California...what's the problem?

[mkozaczek]

Originally Posted by webby

Couldn't agree more

Let me paraphrase that for you. I'm jealous of the bikes you've been able to find and get. I'm angry that you resell some of them for a profit and I can't have them. I chose to channel that jealousy and anger at you because I have nothing better to do.

Originally Posted by ameybrook

You guys are sleeping together, right?

Don't be jealous. Breakups are tough, but you'll find someone else.

Originally Posted by jonsonneborn

This is California...what's the problem?

Damn straight!

*Man I love this multi quote feature!

[fat-tony]

Let's let this thread just die and please move on.

[rumpfy]

LOL Fat Chance owners!

[MikeyNYC]

Originally Posted by rumpfy

LOL Fat Chance owners!

I'm glad that we could entertain you and I have achieved "Rumpfy Status" here on FatCogs

I posted this in another thread and I'll post it here too because I don't want Jon and Gregg and Martin lumping me in with the real bad guys of this world, you know those guys who shoot up schools and blow up marathons...


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Jon, sir...I was not referring to the 1985 Ti bike write up and I apologize for not making that clear from the beginning, I was in fact referring to Martin's write up of the 1983 Fillet Brazed Fat Chance where he wrote on his blog:

"The components are a mixture of early Shimano Deore (probably not original) rear derailleur, Magura brake levers, Suntour Power Shift shifters and Mountech front derailleur, Avocet hubs, Shimano FC-B124 cranks and BR-MC70 brakes. Seatpost is SR Laprade and the saddle is an Avocet Touring."


THE STATEMENT IN QUESTION IS:
"early Shimano Deore (probably not original) rear derailleur"



There's clearly no way that that's a part from 1983, it's easily from 1989? So of course it is NOT original, that's why I questioned his knowledge of period correct parts and that was ALL that I said to spark such Fury - I do not think that what I said was rude or crude or disrespectful and Mr. Martin's responses have been highly defensive and kind of not so nice, I think he called me an "ass" somewhere up there...I may be an ass but that's a different story...


ALSO, if Martin is such an expert and I'm such an "ass" then why does he think that these are Magura Levers? Does ANYONE see Magura Levers? I do not see Magura Levers.



Peace everyone, go ride your bikes and get away from your computers.