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Old November 25th, 2011, 2:18 AM   #1
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There what says to be a "yo eddy" on ebay. Then when you read the description it says it is believed to be a wicked. When to me it looks like a Diamond back bmx.
It has a back kinda like buckshaver but it seems wayyy to small to me. All im saying is if anyone is thinking about this bike make sure you know for sure.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 4:23 AM   #2
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There what says to be a "yo eddy" on ebay. Then when you read the description it says it is believed to be a wicked. When to me it looks like a Diamond back bmx.
It has a back kinda like buckshaver but it seems wayyy to small to me. All im saying is if anyone is thinking about this bike make sure you know for sure.
My thoughts exactly, even the head tube badge says DB !
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Old November 25th, 2011, 10:18 AM   #3
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That is CERTAINLY not a FAT! take a look at all of the brazons and cable housings! and the back of the seat tube. Nothing on that bike has any relation to Fat City, and if you'll look even closer you'll see the remnants of some sort of decal on the seat stays. looks like some guy just wanting to make a quick buck. I've reported the listing as an obvious
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Old November 25th, 2011, 12:36 PM   #4
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Just looked at the frame and to be honest I do see many Fat features on that frame, though it is clearly not a Wicked.

I'm definitely not an expert here is what I see.

It clearly has the down tube gusset at the head tube which looks like the proper shape.

Bullet seat and chain stays which we all know and love. Constant diameter as well.

Tab on the top of the seat tube with the little ring which my Wicked does not have but i've seen on pictures of Yo's.

Dropouts look like proper Shimano's.

Threaded insert for a FD pulley.

Decals really mean nothing and shouldn't be used to identify older frames especially when the paint is as worn as this appears. For me the cable routing from the seat tube area back looks different from what i've seen but perhaps because it was a smaller frame it had to be routed this way?

Anyway my vote is that it is a real Fat Chance that in a super small size.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 1:00 PM   #5
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Just looked at the frame and to be honest I do see many Fat features on that frame, though it is clearly not a Wicked.

I'm definitely not an expert here is what I see.

It clearly has the down tube gusset at the head tube which looks like the proper shape.

Bullet seat and chain stays which we all know and love. Constant diameter as well.

Tab on the top of the seat tube with the little ring which my Wicked does not have but i've seen on pictures of Yo's.

Dropouts look like proper Shimano's.

Threaded insert for a FD pulley.

Decals really mean nothing and shouldn't be used to identify older frames especially when the paint is as worn as this appears. For me the cable routing from the seat tube area back looks different from what i've seen but perhaps because it was a smaller frame it had to be routed this way?

Anyway my vote is that it is a real Fat Chance that in a super small size.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

X2, looks like a Yo Betty! '96 catalog has it in there, funny rear brake cable guide and all.
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X2, looks like a Yo Betty! '96 catalog has it in there, funny rear brake cable guide and all.
Nah, look at the alignment with the seat stay and the top tube. The "Fat Chance" on ebay has a totally different alignment.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 1:23 PM   #7
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The alignment of seat tube and top could be due to the frame size, so it would vary.

Looks like a Yo Betty to me. Has the rear brake cable loop on the seat tube and many standard FC features.

If it is I sure would like to rebuild this one for my daughter in Team Violet or Pepto Pink!
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It's a Fat for sure......and I'll second DC, it's a Yo Betty.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 1:37 PM   #9
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On the other hand....he claims he's had it since '92 or '94. In the '94 catalog there's a Buck Shaver offered in an XS with a 20" top tube. Looks the same to me.

Maybe he could just provide a serial number.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 3:04 PM   #10
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That is 100% a Fat.....It is a XS, buck or Yo,betty. My daughters XS buck looks Identical to this.not worth the starting price at all though.....
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Old November 25th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #11
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This is a Fat Chance Product all the way

no one would go to the trouble of making:

a loop and a stress relief at area at the seat tube junction

Bullet stays

Angled gusset under head tube

The FC triple cable routing braze on looks like all of my FC bikes

The extra **** around the seat post area is all for odd cable routing associated with a midget frame

My guess is YO Betty or Baby Buckshaver - like those in the know above...

People rattle can paint and sticker up bikes all the time

a serial number would help immensely

POO POO to the twelve year old reporting the guy to ebay...
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Old November 25th, 2011, 11:38 PM   #12
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Seriously, that little thing was so completely obviously a Fat it's ridiculous to have though otherwise. And while I would at first be inclined to think it is later than the seller thinks, some tiny Fats were made around the time the seller states the frame was made. Remember, Fat did actually do some fully custom frames.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 4:23 AM   #13
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I just wanted to point out the discrepincys in the ad. When suposed facts dont make sense.. they are either LIES or misinformation. If its misinforamation than the person should state so. Not list the bike as a "yo eddy" then describe the bike as a wicked, maybe a 92... no wait its a buckshaver a 93-94-95 or 96!" "oh no, what am i thinking its realy a yo betty 98!" lmao Its like the time I seen a "85 fat chance" on conn craigslist. the picture was blurry and it absolutley had the triple triangle back of a gt.
When I called the lady she told me it was a "87 kicker" yet she could not "find" serial number. Maybe it was some sort of prototype Fat. But Im ot going to gamble a 4 hour drive from Boston and $350 bucks later to find out!
Like I said the back does look like buckshaver- but ive seen murrays with backs like that! Its none of my buisness what this person has or is trying to pull. I just wanted people to be aware of descrepencys and make their own judgements from there!
I personally would not buy this bike- for the simple fact that I dont deal with people
who pull funny buisness,ie. talk in circles and not make any sense with their storys of aquiring things. If the person is a scraper and found it in the trash they should just say so.. And now you have me going into why I dont like bike flippers- I was going to buy a realy nice klein today from a guy who "mountain biked with it all his life!" HAHAHA I get there and the guys chain smoking hand rolled cigarettes with hands like he just changed a transmission on a 68 chevy! And he would not budge from $500 because "Thats what there selling for on ebay!" I mean it was a nice androit or rascal i wasnt sure because the top tube had no stickers.. but it was a nicely painted one. The bottom line is I probably wouldnt have bought it for $200 Just because of the persons side winding ways.. Now where was I!? lmao
HONESTY- For me it goes a long way.. We are in the age of lies and craigslist/ebay scammers. We are in the age of people hoarding bikes and parts not for their love of them but for their love of what money they can get for them. Im human also and I find myself thinking about selling things myself.. BUT I WONT EVER LIE AND CHEAT AND SCAM And call a wallmart mongoose a 1985 atb pro The stuff I deal with for my love of mountain bikes! haha so many stories. But ill leave the story of the 92-93-94 no,no wait the 96 yo eddy for you guys to solve.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 4:39 AM   #14
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I wrote the above before even looking on the latest ad. There are 3 questions. She got it from somone who raced fat chanced "custom made". There are no serial numbers- hahahahahahaaaaa!!!! I dont realy care! But this whole speil dont smell right at all! Think about it- look at all the newly discovered old school shimano dx pedals that are popping up all over ebay brand new in box! They friggen counterfit everything in china!!! Im not saying this person made this counterfit bike.. Im way more intelligent than that. All im saying is maybe back in the 90s there was a bmx or other bike company that made bikes that mimicked those traits of a fat chance and this person is trying to take advantage of that? No serial number and absolutley there should be no sale here! It would not be covered by the buyer guarantee (or maybe it would im not sure) if they sell it stating "it is what it is".. Its 100 percent not a guaranteed fat. Thats a fact and im sticking with that.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 4:56 AM   #15
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Or maybe its just a scumbag bike thief that assumes its a fat chance.
The person has nothing but bike stuff and he spelled ringle REENGLE.
Phoenix Arizona his laugauge (the way he writes) looks familiar. from Phoenix Craigslist I remember I seen "REENGLE"
bike parts and plenty MORE up. I believe I may have even spoke to this person when I was at the MLB All star game in July about a buck shaver down there and he had a mexican acccent with no go engleesh!
But whatever! Im sure somone will still buy it cause of greed or their belief they are gona get a good deal! But this person wouldnt get a CENT from me!
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I wrote the above before even looking on the latest ad. There are 3 questions. She got it from somone who raced fat chanced "custom made". There are no serial numbers- hahahahahahaaaaa!!!! I dont realy care! But this whole speil dont smell right at all! Think about it- look at all the newly discovered old school shimano dx pedals that are popping up all over ebay brand new in box! They friggen counterfit everything in china!!! Im not saying this person made this counterfit bike.. Im way more intelligent than that. All im saying is maybe back in the 90s there was a bmx or other bike company that made bikes that mimicked those traits of a fat chance and this person is trying to take advantage of that? No serial number and absolutley there should be no sale here! It would not be covered by the buyer guarantee (or maybe it would im not sure) if they sell it stating "it is what it is".. Its 100 percent not a guaranteed fat. Thats a fact and im sticking with that.

I'm not saying the seller is legit, but the frame surely is a fat. The fact that they can't find a serial number means nothing since they state they had it powder coated at some point, which could completely obscure the stamped digits.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 11:11 AM   #17
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my bid is in...no conspiracy theory here.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 8:26 PM   #18
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Ok as long as people agree that whether its a fat or not it dont all add up.
I didnt know powder coating would take the serial number off.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 8:31 PM   #19
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Doesn't "take it off" but it does cover it up. Some coaters get a bit heavy handed and serial numbers end up "missing".
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Old November 26th, 2011, 9:17 PM   #20
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Now that Ive looked around Just outta curiousity. It does look like a Yo Betty.
Even more stregthening my point about the sellers LIES! Would Fat City realy throw this persons friends "son" on a Yo betty to race? Whatever it is.. Just sell the bike-without all the horseshiznit!
idk about everyone else but I get insulted when someone trys to hustle me and it makes me angry. If people like to flock in those circles.. good luck. I dont tolerate it and wouldnt hesitate to do what I had to do to defend myself from being somones Sucker. So im not gona hold my opinions to myself. It just dont seem like too many hold my same principals. It seems like the person made some allies on ebay already.
I hope someone gets it for real cheap and gets it outta this... (biting my tounge)..."persons" hands!
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Now that Ive looked around Just outta curiousity. It does look like a Yo Betty.
Even more stregthening my point about the sellers LIES! Would Fat City realy throw this persons friends "son" on a Yo betty to race? Whatever it is.. Just sell the bike-without all the horseshiznit!
idk about everyone else but I get insulted when someone trys to hustle me and it makes me angry. If people like to flock in those circles.. good luck. I dont tolerate it and wouldnt hesitate to do what I had to do to defend myself from being somones Sucker. So im not gona hold my opinions to myself. It just dont seem like too many hold my same principals. It seems like the person made some allies on ebay already.
I hope someone gets it for real cheap and gets it outta this... (biting my tounge)..."persons" hands!
Your reading comprehension sucks. The seller never states their own son nor the original owner's son got this directly from Fat. The seller states they bought it in 94 for their son to ride from the original owner who raced it beginning in 92. They also state they had it powder coated after they bought it.

And if you are going to hold bad spelling and grammar against a seller then you are going to be miserable in these forums. My head hurts every time somebody uses 'breaks' when they mean 'brakes'.

Fat offered discount pricing to local racers, sort of a developmental squad. They also had a factory pro team that guys like Don Myrah, Casey Kunselman and my own friend Earl Walker raced on. The original owner also may have simply bought it outright without any sort of factory discount or sponsorship.

Again, not speaking to the sellers integrity or how legitimate or not the auction is. They do however have 100% positive feedback over nearly 300 auctions.

And again, I would immediately assume this is a later frame than the seller lists, but Fat did do some customs frames when a stock geometry would not work for the rider. And of the scores of Fats we sold, we did sell a couple frames with custom geos. Notice the head tube looks longer on this frame than in the picture of a Yo Betty from the catalog. This to me suggests it is actually an earlier frame than 1996.

I have to say, if I had a small family member who could appreciate a cool vintage bike, I personally would seriously be keeping an eye on this auction. But seeing how beat the frame looks, I wouldn't go much over the opening bid.
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While I'm at it, I forgot the Buck and the Ti Fat where offered stock in XS in 94. Here is a thread on mtbr about the tiny 94 Buck my friend Eli built up for his daughter. Not a Yo Betty mind you, but a stock XS Buck Shaver.

http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro...er-556583.html

and here is the page out of the 94 catalog listing the XS Buck, with an inset of said frame built up
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While I'm at it, I forgot the Buck and the Ti Fat where offered stock in XS in 94. Here is a thread on mtbr about the tiny 94 Buck my friend Eli built up for his daughter. Not a Yo Betty mind you, but a stock XS Buck Shaver.

http://forums.mtbr.com/vintage-retro...er-556583.html

and here is the page out of the 94 catalog listing the XS Buck, with an inset of said frame built up

Thank you!
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No prob. I saw you had mentioned the XS Buck earlier, as did chainline. It didn't really sink in until I remembered Eli's little Buck.
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Oh yes the seller DID say the person he got it from got it DIRECTLY from Fat Chance. As well as the original owner raced FOR Fat Chance!
Whether or not it still has that horseshiznit up- I have no clue. But I seen with my own eyes! My reading comprehension is pretty good. Even if it wasnt, horseshiznit is Horseshiznit whether each detail is exact or not. And as far as holding spelling and grammar against people, I dont realy. As Im sure I make plenty mistakes as im typing away online. However, strengthening my whole arguement, is this persons disregard for spelling- By spelling "Ringle", Reengle. The person doesnt care about what they have-just that they can sell it on ebay! Maybe im lucky enough not to view my Bicycles and their parts in this light. I dont need to throw my things up on ebay to make a few bucks! I dont need to go hunting in the trash for things to sell. Although Someday I will get all my extra things and sell them but ill be sure to describe it correctly and be honest about its origins. The bottom line in all this,
I respect all of my Bikes and I have many. And I dont knock anyones hustle to make a buck. However, through my experiences LATELY. Bicycle cirlces are being flooded
with these types of snake oil salesman/weasels and ive had it with them.
Its like this ebay mentality has taken hold of the economy and the people of the world.. insanity! Even on this site you see it all the time- "I have this bike my friend loved for as far back as I can remember and he gave it to me, how much is it worth? I would NEVER EVER sell it though!" A week later you see it on NYC Craigslist.
Do you think the seller then goes and gives half the money he got for it to his "friend"? The guy who gave his once cherished bike to him thinking he liked it? Rather he just knew Fats were highly sought after bikes. These types of scenarios drive me crazy! Or maybe im just nutts? If I wanted to act in that character and have those kinds of morals- Id be a man and face to face just take someones money or property from them instead of being a worm about it! I would love to find my Mongoose all terrain pro with the pro class rims,blue tires, slingshot stem,cunningham brakes,ect in perfect condition that some PUKE stole from my friends yard on craigslist! (I wouldnt call the police, thats for sure) The first time I ever left any of my bikes outside overnight in Boston and I paid the price! So maybe theres a few categorys of sellers on ebay but I know for sure there is scrapers/junkers and bike thief maggots> This is where my frustration stems from. Ok im done.. Someone bill my medical insurance for therapy haha
Ps. I just checked the ad. It no longer has the story.. but for 100 percent fact the jist of what it said was the person who they got it from got it directly from fat chance "custom made" and the friend raced FOR fat chance

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THIS IS A I THINK A 1992...I HAVE HAD IT SENSE 1994 MY SON RODE IT WHEN HE WAS 7 YEARS OLD. I DON'T REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL COLOR, I HAD IT POWDER COATED YELLOW BACK IN 94 IT WAS A CRAP JOB THAN
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You talking about those comments? The funny thing about ebay, at least the last few times I listed items for sale there, is that when you edit or update a listing it is called out in the listing that the description has been edited, similar to web forums.

For them to state that the person that the bought it from used to race for Fat, well as far as I'm concerned so what. They aren't claiming they themselves did, they are merely passing on info they got from the original owner. The seller also doesn't present as fact that the frame is custom made, they appear to leave that open for debate what since they use a question mark and state they don't know.
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BeantownBobby, stop working yourself up. You're liable to get a hernia.
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This thread needs LESS BostonBobby. Jeesh dude.


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Blah blah blah !!!!!
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wow - $460 for a project frame. Anybody from here want to fess up as the new owner? That is no doubt a cool ride, hope we get to see the final restored result.
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Ahhhh yeah....

too rich for my blood...I figured 250 would be the ball park

but 460 is outstanding for the seller...

I am sure whomever got it from this site is tickled - and probably wealthy.

It would be a fun little project...
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too rich for my blood...I figured 250 would be the ball park

but 460 is outstanding for the seller...
That's what I recall paying for my NOS 1990 Wicked frame and fork back in 1992. Crazy.
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Ok guys! I give up- no more "blah,blah blah"! From me!
Who got the frame?
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