FatCogs Community Discussion Forums

Go Back   FatCogs Community Discussion Forums > Fat Chance Bicycles > Builder's Corner

Builder's Corner Restoration and preservation. Keep them running in perfect shape. What size is your bottom bracket?

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old May 6th, 2008, 10:33 AM   #1
Kevin Grady
Member
 
Join Date: December 7th, 2004
Posts: 27
Default Phil Outboard BBs

Looks like Phil Wood is now in the outboard bottom bracket business. Says that you can use them with older press-fit style BBs. Would this be an option for Fats of this vintage?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.philwood.com/BB-Outboard%20Set.htm
__________________
Kevin
Kevin Grady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6th, 2008, 1:51 PM   #2
MikeyNYC
Senior Member
 
MikeyNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: August 8th, 2004
Location: NYC-NY
Posts: 310
Default Phil Outboard BBs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Grady View Post
Looks like Phil Wood is now in the outboard bottom bracket business. Says that you can use them with older press-fit style BBs. Would this be an option for Fats of this vintage?

http://www.philwood.com/BB-Outboard%20Set.htm
Interesting...It says:
--------------
Features:
Durability and Performance
Compatibility with most crank manufacturers
Servicable
Fits both 68mm & 73mm Shells
Complete with Phil Spec'd Bearings
Available in British, French, Italian & other threadings

Available for older press fit Bottom Bracket Shells (Klein, etc)

E-Type Compatible
Made in USA
--------------
It appears in the photo that it's threaded on the outside for use in threaded BB shells, but they might have a special set of bearing cups that can be used in our older Fats...That would be a neat retro fit item that would probably last forever.
MikeyNYC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6th, 2008, 3:10 PM   #3
mainlyfats
Senior Member
 
mainlyfats's Avatar
 
Join Date: August 13th, 2004
Location: Winnipeg
Posts: 766
Default

I heart Phil Wood.
mainlyfats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 6th, 2008, 10:09 PM   #4
jh4rt
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 21st, 2007
Location: Newbury Park, CA
Posts: 169
Default

I emailed them today. They already responded and said it should work fine. I think a guy named Phil responded to my email. ;-)
jh4rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2008, 9:05 PM   #5
Jeeves
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 6th, 2004
Location: VA - USA
Posts: 204
Default

Awesome!
Thank you very much for the information.

I want nothing but Phil Wood bearings on my bikes.
Jeeves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2008, 2:26 AM   #6
sierraben
New Member
 
sierraben's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 11th, 2008
Location: California
Posts: 6
Default

Has anyone here purchased and installed a Phil Wood bottom bracket
(BBCG1) for their Fat Chance bikes; say like an older '89 Wicked?

Seems like a great idea.

I'd be interested in one; and may look into it.



Last edited by sierraben; May 13th, 2008 at 12:37 PM.
sierraben is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 25th, 2008, 1:48 PM   #7
brad
New Member
 
Join Date: December 26th, 2004
Posts: 10
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jh4rt View Post
I emailed them today. They already responded and said it should work fine. I think a guy named Phil responded to my email. ;-)
Nice.

The press-in bearings on my old Yo are due for replacement. I was going to try one of those Mavic knock offs that I've seen referenced here in the past, but this looks like a much better solution.

I assume this would require using a modern crankset w/ a splined tubular spindle?
brad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 28th, 2008, 1:12 AM   #8
TealisReal
New Member
 
Join Date: April 20th, 2006
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 9
Default

Yes, the new outboard BB's would be for a modern pipe spindle integrated crank. But I believe Phil Wood makes replacement bearings and square taper spindles that will work in older Fats. I know they do for press-in BB Kleins.
TealisReal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 22nd, 2008, 1:31 PM   #9
M8
New Member
 
Join Date: October 2nd, 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 12
Default Does anyone have any user reports?

Since this thread was last posted to. Did you guys take the plunge on the phil wood set up? I think it's a good solution for my 1985 Fat, which I'd love to weatherproof a bit with an updated BB.
M8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 22nd, 2008, 11:37 PM   #10
Butcher
Senior Member
 
Butcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 12th, 2008
Location: Fort Collins, Colorado
Posts: 136
Default

Phil's new outboard BB certainly is nice, but you don't need to abandon your venerable old school square tapper to get Phil's awsome bearings for your Fat Chance. I've got a set of Phil Wood press in bearings with a matching Phil ti spindle ready for my Yo when I get it back from C. Igleheart. The parts are top notch and I got over the top service from them. I was not sure the proper process to install the set up so I sent an email to Phil Wood. Instead of a response via email the guy called me back personally and went though the process step by step. I wish I could report more but it will have to wait until I get my frame back and get some time in on it. I did a lot of checking around on various forums for peoples experience with Phil Wood bottom brackets and it's extreamly impresive. If anyone reading this is ready for the ultimate BB for their old press in style Fat give Phil Wood a call.
__________________
Single track mind - Fat City
Butcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 23rd, 2008, 6:36 PM   #11
IF52
Senior Member
 
IF52's Avatar
 
Join Date: October 1st, 2006
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 414
Default

Unless I'm missing something, the bearings used in Phil Wood BBs are just NTN cartridge bearing. Nothing too special about them, they're just an Japanese bearing of very good quality.
__________________
M.O.M.

Keep your mudflaps down
IF52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2008, 12:09 PM   #12
Butcher
Senior Member
 
Butcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 12th, 2008
Location: Fort Collins, Colorado
Posts: 136
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IF52 View Post
Unless I'm missing something, the bearings used in Phil Wood BBs are just NTN cartridge bearing. Nothing too special about them, they're just an Japanese bearing of very good quality.
Some differences I see in the complete set up is the spindle is 17mm Ti (larger Diameter), custom length and the bearing to spindle fit is a tighter interference fit - thus eliminating the need for the retaining collars. Correct tools are imperative as the spindle is pressed into the bearings. Any shop that carried Fat's and Klein's into the mid 90's should have to tools to do it right.

Perhaps someone else knows more about the Phil Spec bearing internals.
__________________
Single track mind - Fat City
Butcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2008, 1:11 PM   #13
IF52
Senior Member
 
IF52's Avatar
 
Join Date: October 1st, 2006
Location: Ohio USA
Posts: 414
Default

That's what I would like to know. They state in their website that they dictate their own specs when they order their bearings, but they don't disclose those specs. I'm not saying their parts are unreasonably priced, because they really aren't too bad, but how much better are their specs and are they really worth crowing about, know what I mean? I've got two of their square taper BBs, one of which is nearly 20 years old and is still smooth. On the other hand, I have an old M730 loose ball BB on my 88 Stumpjumper Comp and it is equally as smooth
__________________
M.O.M.

Keep your mudflaps down
IF52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 29th, 2008, 7:24 PM   #14
Butcher
Senior Member
 
Butcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 12th, 2008
Location: Fort Collins, Colorado
Posts: 136
Default

Direct quote from PW site - "We specify the race tolerance, surface honing, ball diameter tolerance, bearing material, gap dimensions, seal specifications - to provide the most reliable high performance bearing possible "

Yea...I dug through the site a bit and there is so many applications. I think the specifics would be different for every application. The thirst for more information can drive one mad.

I guess in my mind I figured they have covered every angle on what would make the best bearing for the application (BB for my Yo). That's not to say they have the market cornered, but each bearing is going to be high end and deliver a high level of performance. For example when I got a Shimano BB for my Monster I opened up multiple boxes and spun them until I found the one that was the smoothest. There was quite a bit of difference with many noticibly tighter. If it only lasts a year or two I'll only be out $25. If I got a good one it might go a lot longer. Point is there is a lot of variation in the product - ie the range of acceptable tolorances is much wider. This, inaddition to less expensive materials keeps the cost down.

Phil's not the only game it town either. For example I like the White Industry square taper BB (threaded) which is of comparable quality, IMO. Perhaps the Monster will get one some day.

__________________
Single track mind - Fat City
Butcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old January 7th, 2009, 2:24 AM   #15
commander
Member
 
commander's Avatar
 
Join Date: December 28th, 2008
Location: north
Posts: 22
Default yes

hiya
yes i bought a spindle -
...exactly two years ago ... i think
it is a excellent piece

order the bearings too - they are slightly different than the old ones.
the spindle is slightly larger.

very nice - highly recommended

o
commander is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 7:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.