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Old February 14th, 2008, 8:50 PM   #1
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Default what's your opinion on bontragers?

i have a line on one and don't know if i take the plunge.. bontys seem to be on the other end of the handling spectrum when i look at their geometry: steep seat angles, short rake fork, low BB.. plus almost everyone agrees they are not the best descenders. some say they are evil bitches whenever the trail goes down abruptly..
otoh.. they are great climbers and excell on flowing singletrack.

hhhhhmmm. should i?
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Old February 28th, 2008, 12:45 PM   #2
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I like the Road Lite I still have it hanging in the basement definitely a keeper. I wasn't impressed w/ the handling on the mtb though.
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I like the Road Lite I still have it hanging in the basement definitely a keeper. I wasn't impressed w/ the handling on the mtb though.
twitchy? unstable?
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It seems that they were twitchy IMO ,I really fell in love with the stableness of my Buck at the time still do.
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A good cali fire road bike, not much good in the single track and they also like a Bridgestone MB zip have a short life span when used. If you want something odd grab a Salsa or a WTB frame they ride great and can handle single track too.
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A good cali fire road bike, not much good in the single track and they also like a Bridgestone MB zip have a short life span when used. If you want something odd grab a Salsa or a WTB frame they ride great and can handle single track too.
you mean poor handling in tight, STEEP, slow.. technical stuff? yup, that's what i was told.
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I was being nice, as I sold the bikes and had a friendship with Kieth.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 6:03 PM   #8
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Default Bonty's.......worked for me!

i have ridden numerous Bonty's, they were sweet in the 4 Corners area of the Southwest, got one next in line for a build up this Spring,,,,,,,which model were you interested in?
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i have ridden numerous Bonty's, they were sweet in the 4 Corners area of the Southwest, got one next in line for a build up this Spring,,,,,,,which model were you interested in?
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i was up for a race, medium. the color.. well...didn't like the color so i passed. i am still interested in finding a racelite medium frame. silver, black, blue, red... i don't care for purple.
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my computer is acting strange,,,,,did my replies make it to you?
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Flav,

i think you should get one. the build reminds me of a Buckshaver - rear monostay and whatnot. super cool retro style. but, i think for those larger riders Bontragers were not the best choice.

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I always thought the build quality looked sub par compared to fats. Although I did like the way the few I tried rode.
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i think you should get one. the build reminds me of a Buckshaver - rear monostay and whatnot. super cool retro style. but, i think for those larger riders Bontragers were not the best choice.

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i hear the geometry is sketchy on steep, slippery singletrack... something fats are really dialed.

i do have a line on a racelite but didn't jump in yet.
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I always thought the build quality looked sub par compared to fats. Although I did like the way the few I tried rode.

Oh Lord of Darkness,

ever been to Santa Cruz??? check it out and you will know why the build quality was most likely sub par as compared to a Fat. a place of great creation and ideas. however not the best of venues for execution.

and comments were directed toward the layout of frames. monostay. gussests under the downtube. i was not speaking about the construction of frames themselves.

i also think the Bontragers were built to suit the type of riding in that general Central Coast California area. more fire road stuff. arid hard pack.

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all my friends were big on bon. I was the only fat rider and took allot of heat. I say screw-m i love my yo. They just always looked a bit fatter and cooler to me. Such a technical review huh!
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all my friends were big on bon. I was the only fat rider and took allot of heat. I say screw-m i love my yo. They just always looked a bit fatter and cooler to me. Such a technical review huh!
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Flavor Flav,

it was a mistake. i was at work and just threw in a bid. thought it would go much higher. but, i accidently won a Race Lite. it should be here some time late this week. i plan to give you some serious back to back Fat to Bonti feedback.

this weekend i took out the Aqua Fade rigid Yo. sweet bike. i really was not beat up over 9 miles. people were stoked to see it. many in disbelief that someone would be riding a non suspension bike!

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Flavor Flav,

it was a mistake. i was at work and just threw in a bid. thought it would go much higher. but, i accidently won a Race Lite. it should be here some time late this week. i plan to give you some serious back to back Fat to Bonti feedback.

this weekend i took out the Aqua Fade rigid Yo. sweet bike. i really was not beat up over 9 miles. people were stoked to see it. many in disbelief that someone would be riding a non suspension bike!

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hmmm! which size? built up bike? i am about to pull the trigger on a frame only. i am on the fence since it's frame only and i have to build it from scratch including repaint... finding a 1in susp. fork 63mm w/ teh right bonty crown? yeah. good luck.
been riding the wicked... what a nice bike. magic. the way it distributes weight, the way it fits even being one size smaller. it's a subtle bike: it pretends to be a sport, cityish bike but once you throw it in a tight spot it turns to a wild cat finding traction all over the ground and saving my ass in those scary steeps.
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Dammit!!!

'm still trying to find a 19" Wicked. I had that 18" all lined up too...

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Dammit!!!

'm still trying to find a 19" Wicked. I had that 18" all lined up too...

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there was one on ebay till yesterday. the seller saying it was an 18 but it was a 19. wickeds are everywhere. grab one!
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hmmm! which size? built up bike? i am about to pull the trigger on a frame only. i am on the fence since it's frame only and i have to build it from scratch including repaint... finding a 1in susp. fork 63mm w/ teh right bonty crown? yeah. good luck.
been riding the wicked... what a nice bike. magic. the way it distributes weight, the way it fits even being one size smaller. it's a subtle bike: it pretends to be a sport, cityish bike but once you throw it in a tight spot it turns to a wild cat finding traction all over the ground and saving my ass in those scary steeps.
complete Santa Cruz Race Lite 17" in green with the correct Judy crown. XT/XTR with toplines and white indust wheelset. i was kinda bummed at first. but then - i could always sell it without much loss if i dont like it.

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Dammit!!!

'm still trying to find a 19" Wicked. I had that 18" all lined up too...

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after the injury - thought you were swearing off the rigid stuff? i can see you all over a 5.5" full susser 29'er ;-)

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there was one on ebay till yesterday. the seller saying it was an 18 but it was a 19. wickeds are everywhere. grab one!
it's a SWEET bike.
Huh? How'd I miss that?
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after the injury - thought you were swearing off the rigid stuff? i can see you all over a 5.5" full susser 29'er ;-)

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I got better..
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and we are glad to hear that!

interested in a NOS 18" Wicked?

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complete Santa Cruz Race Lite 17" in green with the correct Judy crown. XT/XTR with toplines and white indust wheelset. i was kinda bummed at first. but then - i could always sell it without much loss if i dont like it.

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it was you?! cool!!!!!
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complete Santa Cruz Race Lite 17" in green with the correct Judy crown. XT/XTR with toplines and white indust wheelset. i was kinda bummed at first. but then - i could always sell it without much loss if i dont like it.

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i could buy it from you.
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and we are glad to hear that!

interested in a NOS 18" Wicked?

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his size is a 19..
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interested in a NOS 18" Wicked?

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Huh? Did somebody say NOS?
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Huh? Did somebody say NOS?
Yah, but he was talking about some system of Nitrous Oxide injection, I'M SURE !!!!! SM wouldn't hold out on us like that!
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Yah, but he was talking about some system of Nitrous Oxide injection, I'M SURE !!!!! SM wouldn't hold out on us like that!
nope. his is an 18in NOS blue wicked.
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Yah, but he was talking about some system of Nitrous Oxide injection, I'M SURE !!!!! SM wouldn't hold out on us like that!

Gents....

i don't want to threadjack - but maybe if you are nice to me i will show you the goods.

NOS is something i could use to keep up with Upchuck on our ride. the Wicked is NOS - as in new old stock. or just new and never built. so sweet.

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Flavio,

the bike arrived yesterday. i just took a cursory look at it last night. it appears to be in really good condition. the wheelset looks basically unused. the machined sidewalls of the Mavic 217's appear to be untouched. the rear has some rubber - but the front looks like it was just built up.

the bike is either a 95 or 96. which would mean that the company was under the control of Trek. the catalog that came with the bike has Trek's address in Wisconsin. for me i am not sure this is much of an issue. this bike is a Race Lite - and all Race and Race Lite frames were still produced in Santa Cruz. the Privateer was built in WI.

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Flavio,

the bike arrived yesterday. i just took a cursory look at it last night. it appears to be in really good condition. the wheelset looks basically unused. the machined sidewalls of the Mavic 217's appear to be untouched. the rear has some rubber - but the front looks like it was just built up.

the bike is either a 95 or 96. which would mean that the company was under the control of Trek. the catalog that came with the bike has Trek's address in Wisconsin. for me i am not sure this is much of an issue. this bike is a Race Lite - and all Race and Race Lite frames were still produced in Santa Cruz. the Privateer was built in WI.

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i am still interested in that bonty.

i remeber the seller stating it had no oil in the chain so if you ride it lube the MF!
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i am still interested in that bonty.

i remeber the seller stating it had no oil in the chain so if you ride it lube the MF!

Flav,

i was in the garage today building it up. pretty sweet condition. however, after having a closer look i would have to say the paint is a bit of a disappointment. not nearly as nice as a Fat. it is not even close. however, you can feel and see that the Bonty has thick paint so is a tad more durable i would say.

just rode around the street. but, i might be crazy feeling a 17 is to small for me. i looked at it next to my Yo and it has a much more sloped top tube. the cockpit seems way tight? this weekend i will get it tuned and take it out for a spin. we will see how it works out.

are you looking at buying the complete bike or did you just want the frame and fork?

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definitely smaller. the bonty you've got has not only a smaller top tube by .5in but a steeper seat tube of 74
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